Dr Beren ([info]tinuvielberen) wrote,

On sexism

I almost posted the following to an internet forum, but then decided I didn't want the headache of dealing with the asshats who would almost certainly come out of the woodwork to argue with me. But I think it's a decent piece, so I'll post it here.

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There's piggish, boorish, nasty behavior, intended to offend.

There's overt sexism, like I saw on bikeforums.com, a thread entitled "Why are women so stupid?" Do you think a thread called "Why are black people so stupid?" would have stayed up for any length of time?

Then there's inadvertent sexism, such as when guys use the word "girl" as an insult. This is offensive. Again, imagine if they used a racial epithet to insult one another.

And there's unconscious sexism, like the assumption many men have that it's their world and they get to give us permission to do things. Or that being male is a "normal" state of things and that being female is some sort of unnatural aberration. Or that stereotypical feminine traits are inferior to stereotypically masculine traits. Or that male athleticism is inherently superior to female athleticism.

There are also lots of sexist [I]women[/I]! Some have internalized the sexism they've been exposed to, and feel women are inferior and ought to be subservient to men. Others revile anything typically feminine, because they're trying to be like men. I'm guilty of the latter myself: I wouldn't buy a pink bike because I thought it was "too girly". But then I saw a woman on the trail with a pink bike, a pink jersey, and a pink helmet. Even her hair was pink. She was working that pink. She owned it.

I kinda wish I had a pink bike now. But I digress.

The boors and the overt sexists I simply avoid. They are beyond help, in my opinion. "[expletive deleted] off!" is about the only thing worth saying to them.

It is sometimes worth gently educating the inadvertent sexists. Stuff like: "When you use the word 'girl' as an insult, it bothers me. It sounds like you think girls are worthless and weak." Some people "get it" at that point. Or they reveal themselves to be overt sexists, at which point they are not worth my time.

It's very difficult to get people to understand the impact of unconscious sexism. But in many ways, I think it's one of the most insidious and damaging forms. It quietly shapes attitudes and identities.

It's difficult to talk about sexism in a blame-neutral setting, without making men go on the defensive. It's difficult to talk about sexism without being accused of being "oversensitive." A female poster on this thread talked about not getting her "panties in a twist" over various forms of sexism. I think it is possible to identify and analyze sexism rationally, without getting emotional - and we all know that "getting emotional" is silly because it's feminine. See what I mean?

I think it's good for men and women to be able to recognize all forms of sexism, because in recognizing sexism, they can more effectively reject sexism.

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[info]matrexius

October 9 2008, 05:43:21 UTC 3 years ago

It saddens me to think that there really are people who would argue with you about this.

[info]tinuvielberen

October 9 2008, 06:01:29 UTC 3 years ago

#1 Jock forums

#2 The internetz

Ergo asshattery.

[info]pescivendolo

October 9 2008, 06:01:16 UTC 3 years ago

You speak truth.

(I have a pink bike. With a white basket. And streamers. I love it.)

[info]tinuvielberen

October 9 2008, 06:01:57 UTC 3 years ago

FANTASTIC!

[info]miss_s_b

October 9 2008, 08:25:42 UTC 3 years ago

I have recommended that this get linked from LC today. Just so you know.

[info]cassandravert

October 9 2008, 16:54:09 UTC 3 years ago

Wonderful post. I am extremely conscious of this raising two girls. When they were little, they picked up "girly" as a negative, so I redefined that for them. Now it's just a neutral word for a style. Hermione just got pink-tipped hair and looks forward to wearing pink ("not the ugly suits the others wear") to her debate this month.

I try to catch my own unconscious sexism. I know it's there. I was surprised to see how much sexism was an element in my stories--made me realize it bothers me more than I thought. I was spoiled by a father who respected women as equals--his mother was the brains in the family. Now I feel betrayed to find out male coworkers don't consider me equal--and to find I am in a boys club work environment.

I do think that some women seem to embrace and want a certain amount of what you and I might call sexism. Some women do want to be taken care of by men, and the popularity of romance novels with domineering alpha males bears that out. You and I don't want to be treated that way, but some women do--the line even defining what sexism is can be blurry.

Not sure I've said this too well...

[info]littlezink

October 9 2008, 20:19:44 UTC 3 years ago

My little sister recently told me she didn't feel that a woman should be president because we were too emotional and wouldn't be respected by other countries. After I stopped myself from smacking her upside the head, I listed off every female leader in the past 50 years, most of which were from more pronounced patriarchal societies than our own. It did, however, serve to remind me that often it is women holding our gender back, not just men.

Aside from the usual ass-hattery you detailed above, as someone who has grown up in the Bible Belt, I place a large amount of responsibility on the shoulders of religion. Just another black mark against organized religion for me....
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